[BC] IT troubles

[JYRussell at academicplanet.com]

So, are you saying as an employee you have absolutely no protection from
unreasonable searches and seizures... because the company is free to
determine what is "reasonable"... by your agreeing to work there, or by
federal law?

   what's to stop your employer from "seizing" anything he wants based on
the grant he got from your remaining employed?

   As in, the boss, the secretary, etc...  Let your imagination do what it
might...  After she thinks he has violated her, one way or another...

   Lets see.  Prior to the event,  she still works there, he is the
'company', by remaining employed she agrees she has no 4th amendment rights.
The feds have to reason to do anything against the employer even if she
asks, as she has automatically waived her constitutional protection by
remaining employed, under federal law. Hmmmm...

   I think there must be some restrictions...

Jason

----- Original Message -----
From: "DCP&L" <dcpowerandlight at gmail.com>
To: "Broadcasters' Mailing List" <broadcast at radiolists.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [BC] IT troubles


> The Constitution stops when you punch in at work, folks.  Totally and
> absolutely.  Once you're on the clock, your only rights are those
> established by the company, with the exception of labor regulations they
> have to adhere to.  Assuring employee's freedom of anything is not on that
> list in any state that I'm aware of.
>
> Email, IM, the Internet in general should be considered as private as
> posting your thoughts to an electronic sign board operated by the police
in
> a town square.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2008 3:43 PM, <RichardBJohnson at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > From: R A Meuser <rameuser at ieee.org>
> >  > That is like saying that if you have a company car you can take it
drag
> >  > racing Saturday night because it is your 'right'. Any company has the
> >  > right to set rules of conduct and use of equipment within reason. It
is
> >  > their house and their rules. I often had loggers on a radio station's
> >  > hot and warm lines. Staff was told it was to assure proper use of
those
> >  > lines.
> >  >
> >  >
> >
> > No. It's saying what it said. You do not have a right to
> > drive a car. That's why you need to be licensed to use
> > one on a public highway. Your rights as an Amercan,
> > are all those for which there are no laws against. There
> > is a Bill of Rights that defines the things that Congress
> > cannot make laws about, to assure that those  rights
> > remain. For instance:
> >
> > Amendment IV
> >
> > The right of the people to be secure in their persons,
> > houses, PAPERS, and EFFECTS, against unreasonable
> > searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no
> > warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
> > supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly
> > describing the place to be searched, and the
> >  persons or things to be seized.
> >
> > Emphasis added.
> >
> >  >
> > [Snipped]
> >
> >  >
> >  > I will admit to the point that I might be missing something, but
other
> >  > than the use of a proxy server for outbound traffic, I do not see how
> > IP
> >  > traffic can be blocked. We have both public and non-Internet routable
> >  > IPs and our security is pretty high but I can still reach my home
> >  > machine and do it by name. It is fairly basic IT stuff.
> >  >
> >  > Your company could also have their own internal DNS server (we do)
> > which
> >  > would restrict where you can go on the Internet but usually just
> >  > restricts 'bad' places.
> >  >
> >
> > Outbound traffic gets blocked because there is no route from
> > my box to any outside box. Telnet 120.210.12.5, for instance
> > will go nowhere. Every name-server lookup responds with an
> > internal address, where a proxy spy machine checks to see if
> > the outside connection is allowed. If it is allowed, that machine
> > makes the only connection, not your machine, and all I/O
> > is routed through that machine and is compressed and
> > recorded. If it is not allowed, the spy machine writes the
> > following message back to the connected host:
> >
> >  Access denied to this web site
> > To gain access to this web site:
> > 1) Print out the Web Site Request Form & Instructions
> > available on XXXXX's company portal Ananet (http://ananet/forms)
> > under the Information Technology section.
> >
> > 2) Fill in the web site address you are requesting access to
> > and the justification for accessing this site. Sign and date this form.
> >
> > 3) Review with your supervisor and have him or her sign and date this
> > form.
> >
> > 4) Either submit electronically by scanning the form, creating a
> > .pdf file and sending the .pdf to wsac at xxxxx.com or manually submit
> > it for review/approval to the Human Resources department.
> >
> > That is the reason why I can't use 'ftp' or telnet to another machine
> > on the Internet. I can only use a web-crawler.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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