[BC] Pre-electronic Radio
Stanley Adams
stanleybadams
Wed Feb 1 07:11:40 CST 2006
No room for IBOC arguments here boys (and girls).
Here is something that I picked up off of another list that I frequent.
A number of you fellows are hams and just all around communication freqs
(freaks) so this may be of interest to you
Very-Low-Frequency Folks,
The Alexanderson Alternator in Grimeton, Sweden, will be on the air in
February. They don't usually operate during the Winter as the electric
company wants the extra mega-watt oe so for electric heat. So this may be a
good oportunity to hear them: Signal will be CW/Morse.
We will try to start the Alexanderson alternator on Sunday 19th
February 2006 at 09.00 UTC and 13.00 UTC. We will run the
transmitter for about half an hour each time.
QSL reports can be given via:
- E-mail to: info at alexander.n.se <mailto:info at alexander.n.se>
- or fax to: +46-340-674195
- or via SM bureau
- or direct by mail to: Alexander - Grimeton Veteranradios Vaenner,
Radiostationen, Grimeton 72, S-430 16 ROLFSTORP, SWEDEN
See: http://www.alexander.n.se/ Brit Flag -> Menu Page -> Home Page
Good luck,
Al
--
Al Klase - N3FRQ
Flemington, NJ
Stanley Adams
Memphis
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1. Re: KSDK (Al Wolfe)
2. Fax software (Tom Taggart)
3. Re: Fax software (Bruce Doerle)
4. RE: Fax software (Larry Fuss)
5. Re: Re: KSDK (Sherrod Munday)
6. Re: Fax software (Robert Meuser)
7. Re: Fax software (Jeff Allen)
8. Re: IBOC Query (Phil Alexander)
9. Re: Fax software (Ron Cole)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:39:16 -0600
From: "Al Wolfe" <awolfe at Route24.net>
Subject: [BC] Re: KSDK
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> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:14:50 EST
> From: WFIFeng at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [BC] KSDK
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>
> In a message dated 01/31/2006 08:59:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> DHultsman5 at aol.com writes:
>
>> And I thought all those masts were made of lightweight aluminum, a non
>> ferrous metal???????
>
> Even aluminum will react to a powerful enough, fluctuating magnetic field.
> With a powerful magnet, you can feel this effect- get a magnet from a
> defunct
> hard drive, and slide it quickly over an aluminum plate. You will feel a
> very
> distinct resistance which increases as you move the magnet faster. You can
> also
> feel it if you have a bulk tape eraser. Bring that aluminum plate close to
> the
> field, and you will feel the magnetically induced vibration in it.
>
> Willie...
When I was in college we had an electrical cannon in the EE dept. that
fired eight inch aluminum rings about fifty feet. Basically, it just
discharged a capacitor bank through a coil, the aluminum ring being in close
proximity to the coil. I guess the eddy current in the ring built up enough
of a magnetic field to repulse the field in the coil and send it flying.
(Dave Hershberger, remember this from EOH?)
Al Wolfe, retired mostly,
aka K9SI
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:24:32 -0500
From: "Tom Taggart" <tpt at eurekanet.com>
Subject: [BC] Fax software
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Getting tired of the HP racket. Had to replace our old carbon-based fax &
all I could find localy is various HP machines which are ink jet
printers. The one I got has cartridge life measured in weeks.
I have the phone lines to rig this machine for send only & use fax
software for receive on a different line. (No, I am not foolish enough to
try and get an office of 40 year olds to use computers to send faxes), but
what software?
Everything I see recommends against Symantec's Winfax--especially since it
doesn't seem to work on Windows XP reliably.
All I need is a simple program that will receive incoming faxes
automatically & stick them somewhere so that they can be reviewed, printed
or trashed. Ideally over a network as we have a machine sitting in a back
room doing nothing more than serve as an internet server for the DSL
line. It also has a regular phone modem that could be hooked to the fax
line. We have customers (pro sports team, for example) that love to send
endless meaningless stats and the occasional broadcast order, so we can't
exclude anyone with spam catching. These are probably the folks that are
guilty of running the ink cartridges dry on our present machine.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:26:10 -0500
From: "Bruce Doerle" <bdoerle at mail.ucf.edu>
Subject: Re: [BC] Fax software
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XP has it built in. We are doing what you want. I set it up about a year
and half now. The only problem is that you have to clean out the temporary
files occasionally or it will bog down the Fax viewer and printer
application.
>>> tpt at eurekanet.com 1/31/2006 10:24 PM >>>
Getting tired of the HP racket. Had to replace our old carbon-based fax &
all I could find localy is various HP machines which are ink jet
printers. The one I got has cartridge life measured in weeks.
I have the phone lines to rig this machine for send only & use fax
software for receive on a different line. (No, I am not foolish enough to
try and get an office of 40 year olds to use computers to send faxes), but
what software?
Everything I see recommends against Symantec's Winfax--especially since it
doesn't seem to work on Windows XP reliably.
All I need is a simple program that will receive incoming faxes
automatically & stick them somewhere so that they can be reviewed, printed
or trashed. Ideally over a network as we have a machine sitting in a back
room doing nothing more than serve as an internet server for the DSL
line. It also has a regular phone modem that could be hooked to the fax
line. We have customers (pro sports team, for example) that love to send
endless meaningless stats and the occasional broadcast order, so we can't
exclude anyone with spam catching. These are probably the folks that are
guilty of running the ink cartridges dry on our present machine.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:50:25 -0800
From: "Larry Fuss" <lfuss2 at cox.net>
Subject: RE: [BC] Fax software
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> All I need is a simple program that will receive incoming faxes
automatically & stick them somewhere so that they can be reviewed, printed
or trashed.
You might try e-fax (www.efax.com). It's free if you receive fewer than 20
pages
per month. Otherwise $139.95 a year. Faxes are delivered to the e-mail
address you
specify. Local numbers are available in most area codes.
LF
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:16:34 -0600
From: Sherrod Munday <smunday at srnradio.com>
Subject: Re: [BC] Re: KSDK
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On Tuesday 31 January 2006 20:39, Al Wolfe wrote:
> When I was in college we had an electrical cannon in the EE dept. that
> fired eight inch aluminum rings about fifty feet. Basically, it just
> discharged a capacitor bank through a coil, the aluminum ring being in
> close proximity to the coil. I guess the eddy current in the ring built up
> enough of a magnetic field to repulse the field in the coil and send it
> flying.
Essentially, this sounds like a rail gun.
Taken to a much larger scale, such devices are capable of projecting small
aluminum or heavier metal slugs at speeds capable of reaching thousands of
miles per hour (in theory sufficient to place small objects into low earth
orbit).
Ignore the G-forces on launch and the atmospheric frictional heating on the
launched objects. Also never mind the fact that they take megawatts of
electrical power to do so... they are possible.
>From what I've heard, the US Navy has investigated using rail gun
technology
to launch planes from carriers instead of the tried-and-tested steam
conveyors.
--
Sherrod Munday <smunday at srnradio.com>
Technical Director
Salem Radio Network (972) 831-1920
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:25:23 -0500
From: Robert Meuser <Robertm at broadcast.net>
Subject: Re: [BC] Fax software
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Get the office of 40 (or 50) year olds to learn how to do computer fax. Let
the
20 or 30 somethings make them look foolish. There is no reason in today's
world
to need a hardcore fax machine with it's dedicated phone line.
I no longer do business by fax at all. If asked for a fax number I kind of
laugh
and say don't have one, got rid of it and here's my email address, just
send
an attachment.
R
Tom Taggart wrote:
> Getting tired of the HP racket. Had to replace our old carbon-based fax
> & all I could find localy is various HP machines which are ink jet
> printers. The one I got has cartridge life measured in weeks.
>
> I have the phone lines to rig this machine for send only & use fax
> software for receive on a different line. (No, I am not foolish enough
> to try and get an office of 40 year olds to use computers to send
> faxes), but what software?
>
> Everything I see recommends against Symantec's Winfax--especially since
> it doesn't seem to work on Windows XP reliably.
>
> All I need is a simple program that will receive incoming faxes
> automatically & stick them somewhere so that they can be reviewed,
> printed or trashed. Ideally over a network as we have a machine sitting
> in a back room doing nothing more than serve as an internet server for
> the DSL line. It also has a regular phone modem that could be hooked
> to the fax line. We have customers (pro sports team, for example) that
> love to send endless meaningless stats and the occasional broadcast
> order, so we can't exclude anyone with spam catching. These are
> probably the folks that are guilty of running the ink cartridges dry on
> our present machine.
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:48:18 -0700
From: "Jeff Allen" <jallen at locallyownedradio.com>
Subject: Re: [BC] Fax software
To: "Broadcasters' Mailing List" <broadcast at radiolists.net>
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I'm am amazed at how many still even use the old phone lines. I have no
phone line at home except a cell phone and cable modem. It's sweet to pay
the same amount for both each month instead of the rollercoaster Qwest bill
I used to have. About a dozen times they put charges from other people on
my phone bill, then they wondered why I was not happy with the service and
canceled. Uhm...because I can. They actually seem to think we all still
need them. Good luck with that.
J Allen
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From: "Robert Meuser" <Robertm at broadcast.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [BC] Fax software
> Get the office of 40 (or 50) year olds to learn how to do computer fax.
Let the
> 20 or 30 somethings make them look foolish. There is no reason in today's
world
> to need a hardcore fax machine with it's dedicated phone line.
>
> I no longer do business by fax at all. If asked for a fax number I kind of
laugh
> and say don't have one, got rid of it and here's my email address, just
send
> an attachment.
>
> R
>
> Tom Taggart wrote:
> > Getting tired of the HP racket. Had to replace our old carbon-based fax
> > & all I could find localy is various HP machines which are ink jet
> > printers. The one I got has cartridge life measured in weeks.
> >
> > I have the phone lines to rig this machine for send only & use fax
> > software for receive on a different line. (No, I am not foolish enough
> > to try and get an office of 40 year olds to use computers to send
> > faxes), but what software?
> >
> > Everything I see recommends against Symantec's Winfax--especially since
> > it doesn't seem to work on Windows XP reliably.
> >
> > All I need is a simple program that will receive incoming faxes
> > automatically & stick them somewhere so that they can be reviewed,
> > printed or trashed. Ideally over a network as we have a machine sitting
> > in a back room doing nothing more than serve as an internet server for
> > the DSL line. It also has a regular phone modem that could be hooked
> > to the fax line. We have customers (pro sports team, for example) that
> > love to send endless meaningless stats and the occasional broadcast
> > order, so we can't exclude anyone with spam catching. These are
> > probably the folks that are guilty of running the ink cartridges dry on
> > our present machine.
> >
>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 00:40:09 -0500
From: "Phil Alexander" <dynotherm at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [BC] IBOC Query
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On 31 Jan 2006 at 20:18, Robert Meuser wrote:
> There is not time frame for dropping analog nor will there likely ever be
one.
> There is nothing in this for the FCC or the government. Unlike digital TV
there
> is no spectrum to recover and resell.
Never-the-less, that was the theoretical raison d'jtre of IBOC,
and that theme runs through the proceedings of the FCC dockets
and the NRSC as I read them.
It is true in the present scenario (written by Ibiquity) that
it is in their interest to preserve their monopoly for the
foreseeable future. This is probably the reason they have
elected the "trade secret" route rather than patent disclosure
for technology protection. That, however, is a double edged
sword when/if IBOC gains traction. In the Street, there
are bulls, bears and hogs. The bulls make money on the upside,
bears make it on the down side, and hogs ultimately get their
throats cut. Ibiquity may offer yet another proof of this wisdom.
If we speak of DAB rather than IBOC, the route to REAL service
demands increasing signal strength by an order of magnitude
if primary market penetration (IOW city center buildings) is to
be achieved.
Then, there is also the day and night adjacent interference
problem which is sure to intensify as stations deploy IBOC.
The only long term answer for this is elimination of adjacent
channel radiation, and that means using the entire ASSIGNED
channel for digital information.
It appears the 'temporary' use of the adjacent infringement
might not prevail in Court unless there is a clear benefit,
and it is doubtful that benefit can be shown absent an
analog sunset at a yet to be determined time certain.
Regardless of motivation, it remains incumbent on the Commission
to regulate equally or, at some point, face a Court mandate.
IMHO we have been spending too much time looking at the trees
to see the forest.
But to Stanley's question: If terrestrial broadcasting continues
long term, at some point it probably will be DAB, but Ibiquity
has so clouded the picture that predicting if or when has now
become impossible. However, in 2001, the best thinking was 2013
to 2016. The automotive market forces a minimum time frame of
about 8 or 9 years depending on the automotive scrap rate if you
look at it from a practical standpoint. That does not mean it
can happen in that time frame, just that it is unlikely to
happen in a shorter time frame regardless of circumstances.
Phil Alexander, CSRE, AMD
Broadcast Engineering Services and Technology
(a Div. of Advanced Parts Corporation)
Ph. (317) 335-2065 FAX (317) 335-9037
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:46:06 -0800
From: Ron Cole <rondcole at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BC] Fax software
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Fax... Man I have not used one of those things in like 7 or 8 years.
I did not know people still used them. I gusss next you will tell me you
need a replacment for a Telex machine....
Seriousley I think if I had to have a Fax maching I would look at something
with a Toner cartridge in it. This is where a more expensive machine will
save big money in operating cost.
Inkjets are too expensive for any high volume options, I would not consider
anyhing inkjet for the office these days.
Ron
On 1/31/06, Jeff Allen <jallen at locallyownedradio.com> wrote:
>
> I'm am amazed at how many still even use the old phone lines. I have no
> phone line at home except a cell phone and cable modem. It's sweet to
> pay
> the same amount for both each month instead of the rollercoaster Qwest
> bill
> I used to have. About a dozen times they put charges from other people on
> my phone bill, then they wondered why I was not happy with the service and
> canceled. Uhm...because I can. They actually seem to think we all still
> need them. Good luck with that.
>
> J Allen
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Meuser" <Robertm at broadcast.net>
> To: "Broadcasters' Mailing List" <broadcast at radiolists.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [BC] Fax software
>
>
> > Get the office of 40 (or 50) year olds to learn how to do computer fax.
> Let the
> > 20 or 30 somethings make them look foolish. There is no reason in
> today's
> world
> > to need a hardcore fax machine with it's dedicated phone line.
> >
> > I no longer do business by fax at all. If asked for a fax number I kind
> of
> laugh
> > and say don't have one, got rid of it and here's my email address,
> just
> send
> > an attachment.
> >
> > R
> >
> > Tom Taggart wrote:
> > > Getting tired of the HP racket. Had to replace our old carbon-based
> fax
> > > & all I could find localy is various HP machines which are ink jet
> > > printers. The one I got has cartridge life measured in weeks.
> > >
> > > I have the phone lines to rig this machine for send only & use fax
> > > software for receive on a different line. (No, I am not foolish enough
> > > to try and get an office of 40 year olds to use computers to send
> > > faxes), but what software?
> > >
> > > Everything I see recommends against Symantec's Winfax--especially
> since
> > > it doesn't seem to work on Windows XP reliably.
> > >
> > > All I need is a simple program that will receive incoming faxes
> > > automatically & stick them somewhere so that they can be reviewed,
> > > printed or trashed. Ideally over a network as we have a machine
> sitting
> > > in a back room doing nothing more than serve as an internet server
> for
> > > the DSL line. It also has a regular phone modem that could be hooked
> > > to the fax line. We have customers (pro sports team, for example)
> that
> > > love to send endless meaningless stats and the occasional broadcast
> > > order, so we can't exclude anyone with spam catching. These are
> > > probably the folks that are guilty of running the ink cartridges dry
> on
> > > our present machine.
> > >
> >
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